tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post1625072170845921211..comments2024-03-19T23:03:01.685-05:00Comments on Beis Vaad L'Chachamim: Early Shabbos and Yahrtzeit, and the Mahari Vaiyl. קבלת שבת מוקדמת ויארצייט Eliezer Eisenberghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16036989084122930226noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-3744668749133420012017-07-25T10:59:00.544-05:002017-07-25T10:59:00.544-05:00I finally remembered what the very kind first line...I finally remembered what the very kind first line of your comment reminded me of - it's one of my favorite quotes, and I just found it in my old Bartlett's. It was Churchill, who said<br />"When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."Eliezer Eisenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036989084122930226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-52051794194280136252017-07-19T11:52:55.238-05:002017-07-19T11:52:55.238-05:00"It occurs to me that your very much apprecia..."It occurs to me that your very much appreciated first line was in the manner of giving a cigarette to a man that is about to be shot".<br /><br />Chas Veshalom!!! I saw that a previous comment expressed Hakoras Hatov so I figured I'd do the same. I genuinely appreciate this blog as an excellent source of glatte lomdushe Torah and beautiful drush. Yasher Koiach. YOAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-87077827674609328182017-07-19T08:27:33.983-05:002017-07-19T08:27:33.983-05:00After all is said and done, maybe you are right.After all is said and done, maybe you are right.Eliezer Eisenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036989084122930226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-29415229998802200092017-07-18T13:45:51.861-05:002017-07-18T13:45:51.861-05:00Maybe he held it was so poshut he was right there ...Maybe he held it was so poshut he was right there was no need to keep on looking. You don't need to be נתלה באילן גדול when you're standing firm on the ground. <br />Just like I felt, until this morning.Eliezer Eisenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036989084122930226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-44496156451097040862017-07-18T13:32:36.727-05:002017-07-18T13:32:36.727-05:00Isn't it a Pele that the chelkas Yaakov doesn&...Isn't it a Pele that the chelkas Yaakov doesn't bring this באר היטב/מחצית השקל? Perhaps a question for Reb A.Y.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-15232170662601946782017-07-18T11:28:15.043-05:002017-07-18T11:28:15.043-05:00That was strange. I thought you wrote Biyur Halach...That was strange. I thought you wrote Biyur Halacha, and looked there, and found a clear contradiction to what I said. Now I see you're quoting the B'er Heiteiv, and he has a totally different approach. I have to look at the Pri Megodim. I also don't know what בחברה של קבלת שבת means. Eliezer Eisenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036989084122930226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-36600332116076244982017-07-18T10:45:44.614-05:002017-07-18T10:45:44.614-05:00Luck favors the well prepared.
That Biur Halacha i...Luck favors the well prepared.<br />That Biur Halacha is a strong, strong, raya. Although he is dealing with a contest between aveil and yortzeit, I can't see that it would matter as far as the raya.<br />I'm comfortable disagreeing with the Chelkas Yaakov, even if his granddaughter married Reb Avrom Yehoshua, but I'm not comfortable expressing a difference of opinion with the Chafetz Chaim. I do what I do, but for practical rabbinics, the case is closed.<br />Thank you.Eliezer Eisenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036989084122930226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-5070461719023638942017-07-18T10:45:01.905-05:002017-07-18T10:45:01.905-05:00Here is the quote from the באר היטב:
וקדיש שאומרי...Here is the quote from the באר היטב:<br />וקדיש שאומרים בע״ש אחר מזמור שיר ליום השבת הוא לאבלים אם לא שהיא״צ הוא בחברה של קבלת שבת והכל לפי מנהג. ובכנסת יחזקאל שם כתב דהיא״צ שהיה לו ביום ו׳ אין לו שום שייכות רק האבלים עם היא״צ שהוא בשבת יטילו גורל ע״ש.<br />I see now that the מחצית השקל goes a step further and says that this is the case even though he was not yet Mekabel Shabbos!Apparently Kadish is associated with the tefillah. YOAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-46801355369512202722017-07-18T10:26:35.391-05:002017-07-18T10:26:35.391-05:00Thank you, as always, for your wonderful blog. The...Thank you, as always, for your wonderful blog. The באר היטב in קל"ב says that the kaddish after Mizmor Shir belongs to a Shabbos Yahrtzeit - not to a Friday Yahrtzeit. I did not have a chance to see the chelkas yaakov, perhaps (probably) he brings it. It was nogeia recently, hence my incredible bekius). Yehuda OppenheimerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-67613024867231667322017-07-17T12:56:15.726-05:002017-07-17T12:56:15.726-05:00Thank you for the mereh makom. If it weren't a...Thank you for the mereh makom. If it weren't a printed sefer from a respected posek, I would have said that there's nothing to talk about until one explains the Trumas Hadeshen's admission that there is a big difference between Hefsek Tahara and Milah, and shows which of the two is pertinent to yortzeit. <br /><br />Also, it seems to his humble student that he misses the point I made above to anversois1. The ריע מזליה svara that he brings has nothing at all to do with the question of Kaddish.Eliezer Eisenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036989084122930226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-68181180670889990822017-07-17T12:27:46.075-05:002017-07-17T12:27:46.075-05:00The Chelkas Yaakov discusses this in some depth in...The Chelkas Yaakov discusses this in some depth in Yoreh Deah, siman 234. Here is a link: file:///C:/Users/rj/Downloads/Hebrewbooks_org_910.pdf.<br /><br />His approach is based on the Terumas Hadeshen, and his conclusion is that if someone has yahrtzeit on Shabbos, he may say kaddish at an early Maariv on Friday night.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-151494678736519772017-07-17T09:37:27.349-05:002017-07-17T09:37:27.349-05:00I did allude to the approach you mention in the pa...I did allude to the approach you mention in the paragraph beginning with "True, there might be different aspects of a yahrtzeit,...."<br />As I said there, even given that interpretation, the mourner should be thinking of the deceased as a person in their own right, not merely to the solipsistic extent that the deceased has an impact upon him.<br /><br />It's important to remember that while there is some talk of זכרון צער and איתרע מזליה, those are used to explain the minhag of fasting on a yartzeit and have nothing to do with Kaddish. Kaddish is for the niftar.<br /><br />In any case, your approach disregards the universal text of the Keil Malei and Av Harachamim. I realize that there is latitude in drush, and minhagim have many reasons, but by far, the vast majority of the discussions of kaddish and yartzeit focus on the benefit to the deceased, not to the spiritual benefit to the bereaved. Among the well known sources cited, from the Tosefta to the Zohar to the Ari zal all the way to the Mishna Berura in 132, this approach is practically universal albeit with an occasional secondary addendum.<br /><br />Eliezer Eisenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036989084122930226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-34246000078781167342017-07-17T08:52:10.985-05:002017-07-17T08:52:10.985-05:00You are welcome. Thank you for your comment.You are welcome. Thank you for your comment.Eliezer Eisenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036989084122930226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-58213644115194343882017-07-17T03:17:18.923-05:002017-07-17T03:17:18.923-05:00Forgot to say thank you for your blogForgot to say thank you for your blogPatrick Davidovicihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08969605644808192821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-69569511996344931612017-07-17T03:16:33.908-05:002017-07-17T03:16:33.908-05:00You just forgot that Kadish is not for the dead it...You just forgot that Kadish is not for the dead it for you because of the dead. Be well. P.DavidoviciPatrick Davidovicihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08969605644808192821noreply@blogger.com