tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post4075116088670604188..comments2024-03-28T23:20:49.777-05:00Comments on Beis Vaad L'Chachamim: Kedoshim, Vayikra 19:2. Kedoshim Tihyu. Asceticism in Jewish Thought.Eliezer Eisenberghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16036989084122930226noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-91221514615433888082007-04-27T18:11:00.000-05:002007-04-27T18:11:00.000-05:00You know, come to think of it, there is indeed a g...You know, come to think of it, there is indeed a great deal more to write about on this topic, even to scratch the surface. Avos 6:5 on pas b'melach, the Rambam in Dei'os, the Raavad in Toras Habayis, and much more. Two things. First, I still think that what I wrote is shoveh l'chol nefesh and perhaps even true. Second, although much has changed since the time of Chazal, and many people hold that we shouldn't try pas b'melech or the Maggid's criticism, it's definitely worth spending more iyun on the sugyah, which I intend, bli neder. Yasher Kochacho.Barzilaihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16036989084122930226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-35944672858361122202007-04-25T16:17:00.000-05:002007-04-25T16:17:00.000-05:001. I do not remember the source, but I think it i...1. I do not remember the source, but I think it is pretty well established. see at length mesilas yeshorim sha'ar haprishus. He also says over there pretty much the same idea as you.<br>A good mareh mokom for this discussion is the gemara in yevamos 20a, kadesh atsmechah bemutar loch, and it is referring specifically to the din of sheniyos la'arayos, which is be'pashtus a case of geder issur.<br>2. I am not sure if we both understand the ramban the same way<br>3. I think the basic idea of korbon is to give from ones best to hashem, as we see from the first korbon, from hevel and kayin. (Even though we eat from the leftovers of the korbon, by a shelomim, I dont think that is really a contradiction). I dont remember where the ra'avad says it, I just remember seeing it in the mishna berurah.<br>All the above, is not all there is to this discussion. There is a shulchan hatohor (from Reb Aron Roth, of Shomrei Emunim) which brings from the malach that spoke with the bais yosef, (I am assuming it is in the sefer magid meishorim) that " people think this world is hefker, they eat and drink 'lesova bitnum', but they dont realise that for every 'hana'ah' in this world , they will be punished". I do not know what that is supposed to mean!chaimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-76532282778354645102007-04-25T11:16:00.000-05:002007-04-25T11:16:00.000-05:00Good ho'oros. 1. Do you recall who says this a...Good ho'oros. <br>1. Do you recall who says this and where?<br>2. I think the Ramban learns that kedoshim means prushim, and that this is the source for prishus in general.<br>3. I should have mentioned the Taanis HoRaavad, and it definitely does deserve a place here. But does he mean it as a korbon or as regular prishus? What's the shaichus to a korbon, when most korbonos involved achilas odom? Does he say that this is like a doron, a gift, like a korbon Olah?Barzilaihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16036989084122930226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-1467039367864635522007-04-24T20:28:00.000-05:002007-04-24T20:28:00.000-05:00Hello, I am new here, and I am really enjoying you...Hello, I am new here, and I am really enjoying your thought provoking posts.<br>This is a very good piece, but I disagree. I think there are three distinct ideas, and they are not mutually exclusive (is that the correct term?). <br>1. is the idea mentioned in rishonim that "min nhaheter yasi'acha el ho'isur" <br>2. the ramban, novol berishus hatorah, which is a new concept, a seperate mitsvah, which is to be refined people ( one way of putting it)<br>3. the idea we find , ta'anis hora'avad, to give up something we like for hashem, which is sort of like a korban ( isn't that the idea of korbonos al pee pashtus?)<br>aren't all three seperate inyonim?chaimnoreply@blogger.com