tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post4765013379832468174..comments2024-03-28T23:20:49.777-05:00Comments on Beis Vaad L'Chachamim: Shlach and Kavod HatorahEliezer Eisenberghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16036989084122930226noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-25220213147991129642009-06-19T17:32:55.264-05:002009-06-19T17:32:55.264-05:00Yes, of course you are right! I agree that is the ...Yes, of course you are right! I agree that is the basis of calling him Ben Sira. I was just correcting the terminology. IVF stands for in vitro fertilization, which involves taking the reproductive cells from the father and the mother and combining them in a laboratory dish, and then implanting the fertilized eggs into the mother. Ben Sira was a case of artificial insemination, where the male reproductive cells were left in the mikva and entered the mother's body where they fertilized her.Barzilainoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-23798956329455958782009-06-19T16:29:34.705-05:002009-06-19T16:29:34.705-05:00Sorry for the wrong use of terminology But isint t...Sorry for the wrong use of terminology But isint that the teshuvah that Reb Moshe used it for?My idea was taken from<br>http://www.chaburas.org/prurvu2.html<br>quote:<br>The Magid Mishna raises the possibility of a child born as the result of something other than a normal sexual act. He cites sources that note that Ben-Sira, the author of one of the works of the Apocrypha from the Second Temple period, was said to have been conceived when his mother took a bath in water that had previously been used by his father. As such there was seemingly no one to take credit for having performed the mitzva of pru u'rvu. However, the Magid Mishna notes that the Beit Shmuel takes up this topic and is initially unsure if the father can claim to have fulfilled the mitzva. Ultimately, the Beit Shmuel notes that Ben-Sira was considered to be a legitimate (non-bastard) child and was obligated to respect the man who was his father, even though he was not actively involved in the conception.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-69213163846896942232009-06-19T15:37:08.909-05:002009-06-19T15:37:08.909-05:00I hear the pshat with Ben Sira. Minor correction:...I hear the pshat with Ben Sira. Minor correction: it wasn't, IVF, where both zygotes are joined outside the body. It was AI. And I don't know that Avuha De'Shmuel is such a denigration; Bra mezakeh Abba; a son's accomplishments are attributed to his father, whereas Abba lo mezakeh Bra in spiritual matters.Barzilainoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-76605641960496897912009-06-19T14:09:51.978-05:002009-06-19T14:09:51.978-05:00Same with Avuha d'Shmuel, which seems to be an...Same with Avuha d'Shmuel, which seems to be an even greater denigration, but was necessary for yichus issues.great unknownnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-68754772735073124482009-06-19T13:45:59.148-05:002009-06-19T13:45:59.148-05:00Ben Sira is Because his genealogy is questioned SI...Ben Sira is Because his genealogy is questioned SInce He was born through ancient IVF (vhamaskil Yavin)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-85360386719818787422009-06-19T11:31:40.594-05:002009-06-19T11:31:40.594-05:00They could have called him the Tomo. If it works f...They could have called him the Tomo. If it works for the yeshiva...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-77995031219093703042009-06-19T09:34:55.005-05:002009-06-19T09:34:55.005-05:00The thing with those Sfardim is that their pirushi...The thing with those Sfardim is that their pirushim didn't have good names. They just called them Pirush on Chumash, Pirush on Rashi, and so forth. So their personal names came to refer to their Sefarim. One exception I can think of is the Alshich, whose pirush on Chumash is called, like the Chasam Sofer's, Toras Moshe. I suppose saying "The Toras Moshe says..." was too strange, so we ended up using Alshich.Barzilaihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16036989084122930226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-18367292518128252842009-06-19T09:29:02.902-05:002009-06-19T09:29:02.902-05:00Ben Sira.Ben Sira.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-47406552918698040602009-06-19T09:16:17.141-05:002009-06-19T09:16:17.141-05:006:10, I prefer to do the dai le'chakima thing....6:10, I prefer to do the dai le'chakima thing.<br><br>7:18, considering the implication of our Rashi, I am confident that there was a specific reason his name was ellided and only his father was mentioned in that story. What that reason is, I don't know. Yet. And I'm only talking about dropping his given name and using ONLY Ben Amram. Otherwise, his full name is used to show that his father was also a tzadik. Anyway, that's why I just put in a list of proofs to my premise. The Medrashim I bring say it be'feirush.<br><br>Rabbi Doctor G said he enjoyed the post but it is wrong. Ve'ha raya, the Abarbenel, Mizrachi, Ibn Ezra, Abudraham, and Sforno. I say, close, but no cigar. Besides the clear rayos I listed, the kashe is not shver at all. Those names refer not to the individuals but rather to the sefarim they wrote. It's no different than calling Rabbi Yisrael Kagan the Chafetz Chaim. The Abarbanel wrote the Pirush Harav Abarbanel on whatever, so we refer to him as the Abarbanel. Proof: we don't say Abarbanel. We add the article "the..." It's The Abarbanel, not Abarbanel.Barzilaihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16036989084122930226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-79894701699608061572009-06-19T07:18:28.940-05:002009-06-19T07:18:28.940-05:00Like the Gemara in Nedarim:דרש רבא ואמרי לה אמר ר&...Like the Gemara in Nedarim:<br>דרש רבא ואמרי לה אמר ר' יצחק מאי דכתיב (חבקוק ג) שמש ירח עמד זבולה שמש וירח בזבול מאי בעיין והא ברקיע קביעי מלמד שעלו שמש וירח מרקיע לזבול ואמרו לפניו רבונו של עולם אם אתה עושה דין לבן עמרם אנו מאירים ואם לאו אין אנו מאירי<br> Then the Yidden said it By Kriyas Yam SUf "ein Lanu Rak MOshe BEn AMram"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-64051637417662854392009-06-19T06:10:59.147-05:002009-06-19T06:10:59.147-05:00And as we know It was meant as an insult do say Mo...And as we know It was meant as an insult do say Moshe was nothig himself but a Ben Amram, but then again there are gemara's that do the same thing but include Moshe?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com