tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post5156849388458502758..comments2024-03-28T23:20:49.777-05:00Comments on Beis Vaad L'Chachamim: Yisro, Shemos 20:7. Mitzvos According to the Ramban, Ahava and Yir'ah.Eliezer Eisenberghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16036989084122930226noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-85291267047176570062014-01-18T23:55:40.430-06:002014-01-18T23:55:40.430-06:00with reference to item "9."
let Kiyumis...with reference to item "9."<br /><br />let Kiyumis give to Chiyuvis: 'two are better than one, for they get a better return for their<br />labor'* (Koheles 4:9)<br /><br />let Kiyumis give to Chiyuvis, for 'where one can be overpowered**, two can resist <br />attack' (4:12)<br /><br />let Kiyumis give to Chiyuvis, for 'a three-ply*** cord is not easily severed' (4:12)<br /><br />* more sachar for their teamwork; 2 are serving Hashem, rather than 1<br />** Chiyuvis, by the yetzer ha'ra<br />*** Kiyumis, Chiyuvis, Hashem<br />[Artscroll translations]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-13519889581352467472014-01-16T22:24:33.290-06:002014-01-16T22:24:33.290-06:00hiddur, at comment 1:49pm, wiould be a lesser obli...hiddur, at comment 1:49pm, wiould be a lesser obligation (as you <br />point out, just follow the money) -- our oath at Sinai was to do what He<br />said (kol hadevarim asher diber Hashem, na'aseh, 24:3), while our oath<br />at Yam Suf was to do what we said (we will exalt Him, that is, beautify<br />the mitzvos both individual [vow spoken by eachJew with his own mouth<br />& breath] & communal [vow spoken b'kol echad]) -- surely the former neder<br />takes precedence over the laterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-5758840084287577222014-01-16T19:34:12.533-06:002014-01-16T19:34:12.533-06:00All mitzvos involved an oath- the oath we all took...All mitzvos involved an oath- the oath we all took to keep the mitzvos at Har Sinai. The Gemara in Nedarim calls mitzvos "mushba v'omeid," an obligation engendered by oath. Hiddur, whatever the source is, is a lesser obligation. The fulfillment of a mitzva mandates giving up a chomesh - either a fifth or a quarter of one's assets, while hiddur is limited to one third of the value of the mitzva as done without hiddur.Eliezer Eisenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036989084122930226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-34199889931959536722014-01-16T13:49:28.747-06:002014-01-16T13:49:28.747-06:00it's hard to hear arvus working alone here, gi...it's hard to hear arvus working alone here, given that we vowed/swore at Yam Suf to beautify our service, & its's a mitzva d'oraisa to keep one's word (Bam. 30:3); even more<br />terrible (yir'ah) than the direct command to fulfill one's vow/oath in general, was Hashem's<br />very Own Witness to the utterance at 15:2! could there be any question then of Reuven<br />failing to keep his mitzva (keep his vow to heautify, not beautification itself) so that Shimon<br />might keep his? it's basic mitzva vs basic mitzva (& even d'oraisa vs d'rabbanan<br />in the case of Chanuka), not luxury vs basic;<br /><br />but then when we combine arvus with 'don't pass up a mitzva', a strange thing happens--<br />on night one of Chanuka, Reuven would only light one candle anyway (on his way to adding<br />a candle each night thereafter); but by arvus for Shimon, Reuven would on night one, by<br />keeping his candles to himself, have passed over a mitzva (Shimon's lighting of a single<br />candle)! so Reuven on night one must help then & there (would that commit him to<br />Shimon's lighting on future nights, or would R.'s ancestral neder to beautify his service overtake events, resulting in a hybridized outcome when all is said & done?)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-9529981047876078332014-01-15T10:12:22.548-06:002014-01-15T10:12:22.548-06:00Even if the mitzva to love your fellow applied to ...Even if the mitzva to love your fellow applied to spiritual needs, the Gemara in Bava Metzia does say that when there is only enough for one, our duty to be stewards to what God has given us personally outweighs our duty to others. Here, the assistance to the other is at the cost of ones' own hiddur.<br /><br />"the partial mitzva was hiddur" means that after one fulfills the basic mitzva, doing hiddur is an enhancement; it is secondary. Hiddur is akin to a partial mitzva in the sense that it is corollary and ancillary to the basic mitzva.<br /><br />You're right. The source for hiddur was enunciated by the people singing as one. But why would you say the rule of hiddur for the tzibbur outweighs that of individuals?<br /><br />You're welcome. Thank you for taking the time to comment more clearly and constructively. In line with that, I encourage you to adopt a personal identifier.Eliezer Eisenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036989084122930226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-80535200742655552312014-01-15T09:40:11.405-06:002014-01-15T09:40:11.405-06:00what of the mitzva to love your fellow as yourself...what of the mitzva to love your fellow as yourself? how would (wealthy) Reuven feel to<br />see Shimon's added candle night after night, if he hadn't even the one? not so good, despite himself (despite his required 'happiness' for Shimon)<br /><br />"the partial mitzva was Hiddur"<br />how so? wasn't Hiddur either a full embellishment, or a full mitzva? if it were but a<br />partial mitzva, then linguistically/logically speaking, the basic mitzva must be the other<br />part, & not in itself "a complete fulfillment of a mitzva"<br /><br />it's easy to hear Shemos 15:2, which teaches the individual's beautification of his<br />mitzvas, as rather teaching collective beautification, since all of Israel sang zeh keli<br />v'anveihu as one; in other words, any personal move toward hiddur would need, by<br />application of arvus, to extend to others<br /><br /> ~thank you for the posting of many intervolving partsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-64055293965420916392014-01-13T13:20:37.594-06:002014-01-13T13:20:37.594-06:00Somewhat related - GRA Mishley 22:9 Somewhat related - GRA Mishley 22:9 Elihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12793717193734899866noreply@blogger.com