tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post7485582635685875033..comments2024-03-19T23:03:01.685-05:00Comments on Beis Vaad L'Chachamim: בין איך משוגעEliezer Eisenberghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16036989084122930226noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-12193182913569165062023-09-27T18:01:28.967-05:002023-09-27T18:01:28.967-05:00Hi, R Avraham. I wish I knew. I also wish I knew t...Hi, R Avraham. I wish I knew. I also wish I knew the sefarim the Rogtchover rips. (המלקטים הבורים, among others.) But I'll bet it's good. They don't say they're dumb, they say they're wrong. As Tolstoy says in the beginning of Anna Karenina, "All happy families are alike; each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way." Eliezer Eisenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036989084122930226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-52508179921425449762023-09-26T12:13:50.756-05:002023-09-26T12:13:50.756-05:00Inquiring minds want to know, what was the sefer g...Inquiring minds want to know, what was the sefer given to Rav Eizel Charif? Avraham Bukspanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08072939134509330280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-10296358880650745702013-10-03T11:43:11.421-05:002013-10-03T11:43:11.421-05:00To the anonymous commenter of 11:34, thank you fo...To the anonymous commenter of 11:34, thank you for your beautiful story. I'm sorry I had to delete it; it was out of place here. I have a copy. If I find a good place for it I will post it.Barzilai/Eliezer Eisenberghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16036989084122930226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-25487075338063725832013-10-02T13:34:47.211-05:002013-10-02T13:34:47.211-05:00Ever look at a sefer yuchsin? In the small print,...Ever look at a sefer yuchsin? In the small print, there are sometimes the letters כ"י, that stands for k'ilu yelado- it was a rebbi, not a father. Or you have a brother's descendant. Like my mother, whose maiden name is Berlin, says we come from the Netziv, and that can't be true, so it must be a brother/cousin/something of the Netziv that we come from. <br><br>But I get your point. Descendant means direct.Barzilai/Eliezer Eisenberghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16036989084122930226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-62382883303661920252013-10-02T13:26:47.305-05:002013-10-02T13:26:47.305-05:00I've also met a man, Joel Sprayregen, that say...<i> I've also met a man, Joel Sprayregen, that says he's a direct descendant of the Gaon, but the gaon was a long time ago, and he's the famous and celebrated heritage of all of Klal Yisrael, so it doesn't mean much to me.</i><br>It's not a kuntz! All descendants of the Gra are direct descendants.Reb Chaim HaQotonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05836805247888732019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-76552221622201562962013-10-02T13:03:38.291-05:002013-10-02T13:03:38.291-05:00Speaking of Reb Eizel Charif, I just made contact ...Speaking of Reb Eizel Charif, I just made contact with a descendant of his, and apparently there are several. I find it fascinating to talk to Reb Eizik's grandchild. I've also met a man, Joel Sprayregen, that says he's a direct descendant of the Gaon, but the gaon was a long time ago, and he's the famous and celebrated heritage of all of Klal Yisrael, so it doesn't mean much to me.Barzilai/Eliezer Eisenberghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16036989084122930226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-1109222017617168982013-10-01T21:09:08.687-05:002013-10-01T21:09:08.687-05:00Thanks for that Rav Barzilai. I really enjoy your...Thanks for that Rav Barzilai. I really enjoy your blog and without being machnif, your knowledge is very impressive. Its also nice to see someone being intellectually honest but not latching on to every chumra that comes out today. I should also thank you for your blog about eruv tavshilin - it took a lot of pressure off preparing for Yom Tov while trying to keep up with work and looking after family. <br><br>Maybe you could one time do a blog on how to research a halachic question in a methodical manner. How you start to find sources etc.<br><br>Also, in terms of psak of a baal habayit, I used to have a chavrusa who was an absolute genius (MIT graduate), and he told me that it is strange but whenever he reads a teshuva, he follows the whole argument except that when he gets to the conclusion, he always comes out with the opposite conclusion to that which the teshuva does :)Baal Habayitnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-57198655251626348652013-10-01T20:39:07.679-05:002013-10-01T20:39:07.679-05:00Baal Habayit, here are my thoughts. The Tur in תר...Baal Habayit, here are my thoughts. The Tur in תרמ"ג brings that the Maharam Rttnbrg held that you should make the leishev before sitting down to eat bread, while the Rosh held that you make the hamotzi and then leishev. The Beis Yosef there explains that the Maharam held that the ikkar bracha is on the yeshiva, so you should make the bracha immediately upon being seated. The Rosh holds that since we're noheig to limit the bracha to times when we eat, the bracha became tied to the eating, and so is more appropriately said immediately before eating. So, I assume the Rav held that in deference to the Rosh's shitta that the bracha became tied to kvius achila, you should minimize hefsek between the bracha and the hamotzi. But I have to say that this seems to be a chumra yeseira. Even the Rosh will agree that by kiddush, the kvius begins at kiddush, and the minhag to make the bracha on bread will no longer pertain. Remember, the Rosh essentially agrees with the Maharam, but says that our minhag to limit the bracha creates an association with hamotzi. Where our minhag is to establish kvius seuda at kiddush, of course the bracha is perfectly appropriate and fully realized at that moment.Barzilai/Eliezer Eisenberghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16036989084122930226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-16038561565997263162013-10-01T20:31:48.680-05:002013-10-01T20:31:48.680-05:00Eli, I have a hard time believing that the din of ...Eli, I have a hard time believing that the din of kvius makom comes from the halacha of having to return to where you ate, when to me, the only reason you have to return is because of the nature of what types of food you're kovei'a makom on. Doesn't it make more sense that it is the character of the meal that establishes the din, instead of the other way around?Barzilai/Eliezer Eisenberghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16036989084122930226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-31076662380489825802013-10-01T19:44:48.733-05:002013-10-01T19:44:48.733-05:00I heard another thing in relation to the sukkah, k...I heard another thing in relation to the sukkah, kiddush and hefsek. The Rav wanted to say that after one makes kiddush and makes the beracha of leishev, one should not talk until one has washed hamotzi as talking would be a hefsek between leishev and eating the kazayit of bread which is what the ikkar of the beracha of leishev is going on. Any thoughts?Baal Habayitnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-19398819384939924972013-10-01T15:07:43.742-05:002013-10-01T15:07:43.742-05:00The link I gave is about the Maharim Padwa, not Ra...The link I gave is about the Maharim Padwa, not Rav Peimer.<br><br>What do you mean exactly by koveia makom? Is this consistent with the fact one can go elsewhere and continue eating without having to go back? Acccording to the Rosh, who says that eating in the new place is כאילו הוא במקומו הראשון I can hear your argument, but otherwise I think one can may claim to the contrary that it is only the chiyuv bracha bimkomah that connects one to the original location (and thus once he continues eating elsewhere, this connection terminates).Elihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12793717193734899866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-17441689966937652052013-10-01T14:24:17.300-05:002013-10-01T14:24:17.300-05:00I added your link about Rav Peimerto the post. I ...I added your link about Rav Peimerto the post. I can't find his teshuva online. I'm sure it'll get there soon, but not just yet.<br><br>What bothers me most is that they seem to be confusing the סיבה and the מסובב. Mezonos mandates a bracha bimkomah, because by its nature it is koveia makom, not the other way around.Barzilai/Eliezer Eisenberghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16036989084122930226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-49781191083482585382013-10-01T14:12:49.571-05:002013-10-01T14:12:49.571-05:00The BH makes your connection to הניח חברים, but th...The BH makes your connection to הניח חברים, but then makes the following point: if a person who ate mezonos and fruit decides to continue eating mezonos in his new place, he does not have to go back for Brach Achrona, so his connection to the original place is weaker than in the case of chaveirim. Still he seems to side with the first option.<br><br>More on RYMP - http://toladot.blogspot.co.il/2009/02/blog-post_24.htmlElihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12793717193734899866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-82100424375440001812013-10-01T09:33:10.680-05:002013-10-01T09:33:10.680-05:00Reb Chaim, thank you- I would very much enjoy read...Reb Chaim, thank you- I would very much enjoy reading those stories. I'm trying to find out if I can get it through Google Books, or I have to buy it from Tuvia's.<br><br>Eli- I heard about the Badei Hashulchan. But the Teshuva is a real find. For a moment, I thought it was the Maharam Padua. Then I realized that this one lived three hundred years later. I don't know much about him, but the fact that he was the Rov of Brisk twenty years before the Maharil Diskin lends weight to his opinion. <br><br>I didn't understand what the BH wanted, but I do understand the machlokes Rashba and Rosh in the Teshuva, and I have to think about it, but it's hard to get myself to accept the possibility. It just feels very wrong.Barzilai/Eliezer Eisenberghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16036989084122930226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-53879374268031647332013-10-01T04:36:13.630-05:002013-10-01T04:36:13.630-05:00However, see also http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpa...However, see also http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=1198&pgnum=111 who explains both sides (p.112 d"h Ve'da)Elihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12793717193734899866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-54101776099250418842013-10-01T03:36:00.959-05:002013-10-01T03:36:00.959-05:00See Badey Hashulchan #5 http://www.hebrewbooks.org...See Badey Hashulchan #5 http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=7721&st=&pgnum=154 and the addendum in p.214Elihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12793717193734899866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-33258269184110583822013-10-01T01:45:01.976-05:002013-10-01T01:45:01.976-05:00I love Rav Eizel Charif stories. You might interes...I love Rav Eizel Charif stories. You might interested in <a href="http://books.google.co.il/books/about/World_of_wit.html?id=nZ4bAQAAIAAJ&redir_esc=y" rel="nofollow">this</a> book which contains a whole bunch of such stories.<br><br>I hear the שאלה, but I don't have what to say about it.Reb Chaim HaQotonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05836805247888732019noreply@blogger.com