tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post1998581634401277511..comments2024-03-28T23:20:49.777-05:00Comments on Beis Vaad L'Chachamim: Toldos, Breishis 25:21. Yitzchak's Tefilla & Unintended Consequences. וַיֵּעָתֶר לוֹ ה' וַתַּהַר רִבְקָה אִשְׁתּוֹ.Eliezer Eisenberghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16036989084122930226noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-28645313776118929362010-11-14T20:14:33.742-06:002010-11-14T20:14:33.742-06:00Thank you, Mordechai. I finally came to the same ...Thank you, Mordechai. I finally came to the same conclusion, that the issue here involves davening too hard- and that defining 'too hard' is not at all easy.bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-58878797395850002532010-11-14T08:24:37.645-06:002010-11-14T08:24:37.645-06:00R Orlowek (mashgiah of Torah Ohr J'm) told me ...R Orlowek (mashgiah of Torah Ohr J'm) told me the reason one may be granted something that you are dovening too hard for (even though its not good for you) is because you imply/are thinking that Hashem's love for you is lacking if you don't get the thing that you're dovening for.<br><br>ie a parent will sometimes give something to a child (even if its not good for the child) if he thinks the relationship to his child will be harmed if he doesn't give what the child thinks he needs so badly.<br><br>mordechai cohenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-70351915219408505632010-11-04T10:37:39.142-05:002010-11-04T10:37:39.142-05:00I have a very dear friend, a tzadik and talmid cha...I have a very dear friend, a tzadik and talmid chacham, that has no children. He expended a great deal of time and money and effort on all the things that are a zechus to have children, including getting personal brachos from gedolim. Finally, Reb Chaim Kanievsky told him that it was time to stop asking. He told him that the famous story about Shvartze Wolf has an epilogue. <br><br>The printers of the Zhitomerer Shas, who gave their lives and fortunes to print it al taharas hakodesh, were massered on, and sent to Siberia. That's why there are so few of that beautiful Shas. Some died, some came back half dead.<br><br>The one that massered was a descendant of the man who got the bracha, and the Zhitomerers were the descendants of the man who gave the bracha.<br><br>My friend stopped asking for brachos.bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-60242235826101909542010-11-04T10:29:06.646-05:002010-11-04T10:29:06.646-05:001. FWIW, Orchos Rabbainu brings from the Chazon Is...1. FWIW, Orchos Rabbainu brings from the Chazon Ish that one should not presure a tzaddik to daven for something because there may be a very good reason for the lack of said thing. I think he brings that the chofetz chaim was once pressured to daven that someone should have a child and bad things came from that child. (IIRC, brought in the context of a story about the wife of the CI, late in life, asking her husband why he did not get a bracha from the CC for children when he had the chance.)<br><br>2. This chasam sofer sounds like another argument (aside from rav moshe's reasoning) against inducing labor.LkwdGuyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14676035514801548695noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-16662778552523511392010-11-03T10:59:19.715-05:002010-11-03T10:59:19.715-05:00Oh, you mean http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.a...Oh, you mean http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=19056&st=&pgnum=37&hilite=<br>by any chance?<br><br>Of course, having been directed there by you, and despite the power of the internet, I still don't know what he's talking about. Looking forward to your elucidation.bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-37524145345588896132010-11-03T10:26:15.358-05:002010-11-03T10:26:15.358-05:00Better. For a different answer, one that also inv...Better. For a different answer, one that also involves a pshat in retzon yereyav, see the Noam Elimelech, or, with your reshus I will bl"n try to post it.Chaim B.http://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-25525956032547455552010-11-03T09:33:38.837-05:002010-11-03T09:33:38.837-05:00Fine, you're right. I'll do over the ques...Fine, you're right. I'll do over the question so it makes more sense. Although the Shai Latorah didn't have to, but that's because he wasn't writing on the net.Barzilaihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16036989084122930226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-56807723590198333842010-11-03T09:25:44.419-05:002010-11-03T09:25:44.419-05:00>>>Why wouldn't Hashem answer Yitzcha...>>>Why wouldn't Hashem answer Yitzchak as He answers any person that is mispallel? <br><br>I don't understand the question -- Hashem doesn't answer any person who is mispallel by granting their request. <br><br>You could ask the same question other places. Why was Moshe's tefilos in P' VaEschanan not accepted? What do the meforshim mean that had he davened one more tefilah he would have gotten what he wanted -- m'mah nafshach, if he deserved it, give in after 1 tefilah; if he didn't deserve it or it would bring harm, why give in after 516 tefilos?Chaim B.http://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.com