tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post235200592640138752..comments2024-03-28T23:20:49.777-05:00Comments on Beis Vaad L'Chachamim: Toldos, Bereishis 25:31-2. Sale of Bechorah. Ignotum per IgnotiusEliezer Eisenberghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16036989084122930226noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-66961086339169630672012-11-13T21:18:04.368-06:002012-11-13T21:18:04.368-06:00The Kli Chemda has a field day defending it. But ...The Kli Chemda has a field day defending it. But of course it's strange, especially considering the din of yakir that requires that the padachas come out while the father is alive for the din bechor. That's what makes it so interesting to be metaheir.Barzilaihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16036989084122930226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-57190715636453690062012-11-13T20:48:24.286-06:002012-11-13T20:48:24.286-06:00a) the Nodah BiYehuda categorically rejects the co...a) the Nodah BiYehuda categorically rejects the concept there, saying that bechora is contingent on birth order, and not conception order, and indeed brings the case of twins as a proof.<br><br>b) Indeed, this 'Gr"a' is oft quoted: for example, as you pointed out, by Reb Shlomo Kluger - who throughly rejects the concept. Others, like the Imrai Yosher, simply don't believe that the quote is true.<br><br>For more extensive sources see the Chumash HaGra on Ki Tzetzai. Indeed, he quotes a source that heard the Gra say the precise opposite.<br><br>Thus, in this case, if we don't understand it, the problem seems to be in the reliability of the quote.<br><br>The whole concept of LIFO is problematic given the birth episode of Peretz and Zorach.great Unknownhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15728976902210831137noreply@blogger.com