tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post3199686158427634519..comments2024-03-28T23:20:49.777-05:00Comments on Beis Vaad L'Chachamim: Post Post MortemEliezer Eisenberghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16036989084122930226noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-50830871334573295672008-09-25T23:03:00.000-05:002008-09-25T23:03:00.000-05:00Reb Moshe didused a different nusach on that as we...Reb Moshe didused a different nusach on that as well. Changing it to "Aleinu galgeil," it means that you are asking the Ribono shel Olam to invoke middas harachamim, which is the essence of all tefilla, as the Tiferes Yisrael discusses at great length in the last perek of Kiddushin on the Mishnah of things that are talui in Mazal. If you say "hisgalgeli," you are addressing the middah, as if were separate from the Ribono shel Olam.<br><br>Reb Moshe is another good example of not telling people to change the way they daven. In MTJ, they don't say Ve'yiten lecha after Shabbas. Reb Moshe said it at home, and he said that he assumed that everyone said it at home. And, as I said from in the comments on the lost post, the Magen Avraham held that the two times the word "nah", meaning please, in shmoneh esrei, are incorrect, and shouldn't be said, but he says you should just let people say what they're used to saying.Barzilainoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-27706387397831870842008-09-25T21:28:00.000-05:002008-09-25T21:28:00.000-05:00Actually, the "aleinu galgel" formulatio...Actually, the "aleinu galgel" formulation is non-problematic. It is the "aleinu hisgalgeli" that some poskim find objectionable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-8493187161553579222008-09-25T10:12:00.000-05:002008-09-25T10:12:00.000-05:00Did R Moshe also skip the "midas Harachamim ...Did R Moshe also skip the "midas Harachamim aleinu galgel" piyut in slichos?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-5719973086778299342008-09-25T07:02:00.000-05:002008-09-25T07:02:00.000-05:00Ahem...Well Dixie Yid led me here, so I took a loo...Ahem...Well Dixie Yid led me here, so I took a look and shared my opinion. Sorry about that.<br><br>Kesiva V'Chasima Tovayehupitz@gmail.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-88717483409457419132008-09-24T13:26:00.000-05:002008-09-24T13:26:00.000-05:00Now your answer is just too gentlemanly. Nobody...Now your answer is just too gentlemanly. Nobody's that gracious! What are you up to?<br><br>:-)<br><br>-Dixie YidDixieYidhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03713423988723533390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-56371220615463999142008-09-24T13:13:00.000-05:002008-09-24T13:13:00.000-05:00Yehupitz, I say if the biretta fits, wear it.Dixie...Yehupitz, I say if the biretta fits, wear it.<br><br>Dixie Yid, your comment was distinguished by its gentlemanly tone. It took more than that to get me to say "rotzeh ani."Barzilainoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-53213806683729062802008-09-24T12:36:00.000-05:002008-09-24T12:36:00.000-05:00Barz,I'm not sure if that Ratzinger comment wa...Barz,<br><br>I'm not sure if that Ratzinger comment was directed to me or to yourself...yehupitznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-31160101762626910352008-09-24T12:07:00.000-05:002008-09-24T12:07:00.000-05:00Sorry I missed the whole comment discussion on tha...Sorry I missed the whole comment discussion on that post after my initial comment. Kol tuv.<br><br>-Dixie YidDixieYidhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03713423988723533390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-32394663080722344372008-09-24T11:45:00.000-05:002008-09-24T11:45:00.000-05:00Well, has the Congregatio pro Doctrina Fidei found...Well, has the Congregatio pro Doctrina Fidei found anything else that needs to be recanted?Barzilainoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-77133700976667376372008-09-24T09:28:00.000-05:002008-09-24T09:28:00.000-05:00I feel comfortable calling those examples "sc...I feel comfortable calling those examples "scattered precedent". Of course they were great men, but the mesora for that aversion to those prayers never really stuck. One here. Another one 200 years later. Calling that scattered is accurate. <br><br>I have less qualms about someone omitting those sections (based on the precedents) than about the others you mention. But I thought it important to defend those prayers as well, while I was at it.yehupitznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-2226436764646029262008-09-24T07:42:00.000-05:002008-09-24T07:42:00.000-05:00Scattered precedent-- Yeah, like the Maharal, cite...Scattered precedent-- Yeah, like the Maharal, cited in the Chasam Sofer, and the Gaon.<br><br>But, as I said, I agree with your comment: I always quote the Gemara in Pesachim 99a-- Yafeh shtika lechachamim, kal vachomer letipshim.<br><br>Yes, I know more than a little about Reb BE, and I like your description--entertaining and often instructive.Barzilainoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-41887328860947840432008-09-24T07:03:00.000-05:002008-09-24T07:03:00.000-05:00Yes, there is some scattered kosher precedent for ...Yes, there is some scattered kosher precedent for skipping the malachim parts of selichos. The Tzemach Tzedek of Lubavitch was also disturbed by the implications of reading them wrong. Yet his Chassidim continued to say it. My point was that a Jew should never assume that something that appears in Tanach or Chazal or accepted Rishonim is hashkafically problematic. By doing so, he reveals more about himself than about those authors. He should rather assume that he is misunderstanding the meaning or nuance of the text.<br><br>As far as Reb Boruch Epstein, he wrote a good number of things that are hashkafically problematic, despite the fact that his works are entertaining and often instructive. He was not a godol, and anyone who knows even a little bit about him would know that relying on him is "Ein Lo Al mi lismoch", to paraphrase and invert a well known aphorism. This is all besides the fact that the reasoning he offers is obviously poor: Tanach was meant for the hamon am. And "L'Olam Yehei Adam" was a text composed for the Hamon Am.yehupitznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6453787673476195995.post-25478550689338138312008-09-23T23:23:00.000-05:002008-09-23T23:23:00.000-05:00how do i get to the stored version his post sounds...how do i get to the stored version his post sounds intrigingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com